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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 11:44 am

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvbjrq586o

he uses few chords all over the song...
those are sore not
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/h/hal_ketchum/i_know_where_love_lives_crd.htm

can someone please help me to understand the beginning??

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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 01:36 pm

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hantz wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvbjrq586o

he uses few chords all over the song...
those are sore not
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/h/hal_ketchum/i_know_where_love_lives_crd.htm

can someone please help me to understand the beginning??

Hal Ketchum is playing the same chords as listed in that chord chart linked above. For the introduction and the instrumentals between the verses where there are no lyrics sung, he is just alternating between the A and D chords.

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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 01:46 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvbjrq586o

what are the chords on the first 3 sec?
that A and D? are you sure?

cause my A and D not sounds like this...

can you explain how to pla those A and D

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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 01:49 pm

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how that alternating between the A and D chords goes?

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hantz wrote: How that alternating between the A and D chords goes?
Strum the A chord down, up, down... The first A is strong, 2nd and 3rd are weaker, immediately followed by a strong D chord downstrum... then let the strings ring.

CHORD:   A   A   A   D

         DAH-dit-dit-DAH...

PICK DIR.: down up down down

Perhaps the reason your A and D chords sound different than Hal Ketchum's may be that you are playing those chords without a capo, which uses different string positions and has a different voicing to the chords. The best way to learn the timing for this song is to play your guitar in front of the computer while watching Hal Ketchum play. Follow what he is doing; note that he is using a capo and he is actually fretting the chords in the key of G. Put your capo on the second fret, and play the following chords:

Chord shape: G   C   D   Em   Am

Actual chord: A   D   E   F#m Bm

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I bought a nice looking capo, and played the shaped chords in front
the pc till so many times...but i still not getting the rhythm.

dont get the way he strum the strings...

can you please explain more about:

G-shape   G-shape   G-shape D-shape
DAH     -   dit   - dit    -   DAH...
down            up        down          down

D-shape:
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|----
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|----

G-shape:
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|-
B||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|----
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|----
       (^capo)

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hantz wrote: I bought a nice looking capo, and played the shaped chords in front
the pc till so many times...but i still not getting the rhythm.

dont get the way he strum the strings...

can you please explain more about:

G-shape   G-shape   G-shape   C-shape
DAH     -   dit   - dit    -   DAH...
down            up        down          down

C-shape:
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

G-shape:
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
       (^capo)

I've watched the YouTube video again. What Hal Ketchum is doing in the introduction is strumming the chords A, D, and then a "scratch" strum where he momentarily deadens the strings my muting them with his palm to get a percussive rhythm.

A (strong), A (soft), D (strong)... SCRATCH...

DAH         dit       DAH...        {scratch}

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what string being scratched

i use capo so i am not using A and D at all-like this:

G-shape   G-shape   G-shape D-shape
DAH     -   dit   - dit    -   DAH..
strong+down    up+soft strong+down    scratch

?

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hantz wrote: what string being scratched

i use capo so i am not using A and D at all-like this:

G-shape   G-shape   G-shape D-shape
DAH     -   dit   - dit    -   DAH..
strong+down    up+soft strong+down    scratch

?

The "scratch" is done by muting the strings with your palm while playing the same strings as the C-chord shape (capo on 2nd fret). Simplify the strum by eliminating the 3rd A strum. Let the first D chord ring before you do the scratch D chord.

A-chord       A-chord   D-chord      D-chord

G-shape      G-shape C-shape      C-shape
DAH     -     dit   -   DAH...       scratch
strong+down   up+soft strong+down  palm mute

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i think i found something that might help...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKVVU-QUD8
in this tube you he shows how he uses the strings.

do you see him scratching something?

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hantz wrote: i think i found something that might help...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKVVU-QUD8
in this tube you he shows how he uses the strings.

do you see him scratching something?

In that video, the "scratch" sound is made with the back of his fingernails on the strings, causing the strings to partially deaden instead of ringing. If you play with a pick, muting the strings with your palm and strumming across the deadened strings produces a similar effect. It takes some practice to get it right.

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thanks a lot

can you tell me what chords he uses on the first 5 sec of the song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvbjrq586o
-before the words...

I played it more that 100 time in lots of ways...
A-chord       A-chord   D-chord      D-chord

G-shape       G-shape   C-shape      C-shape
DAH     -     dit   -   DAH...       scratch
strong+down   up+soft   strong+down palm mute

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Hal Ketchum is playing the same A-A-D-D progression to start out the song:

A-chord       A-chord   D-chord      D-chord

G-shape      G-shape C-shape      C-shape
DAH     -     dit   -   DAH...(hold) "scratch"
strong+down   up+soft strong+down  palm mute

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D-shape:
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

G-shape:
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
(^capo)

can you show me what do you mean by c-shape?

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hantz wrote: D-shape:
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

G-shape:
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
(^capo)

can you show me what do you mean by c-shape?
Sorry, my mistake! That is the C-chord shape, not the D-chord shape. With a capo on the 2nd fret, all of the strings are higher in pitch, so that this generates the D-chord.

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

The D-chord shape is XX0232. With a capo on 2nd fret, that would give you an E major chord, which is also used in Hal Ketchum's song.

E||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

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Most of the time, instrumental introductions and breaks follow the same chord progression used in the song.

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Will wrote: Hal Ketchum is playing the same A-A-D-D progression to start out the song:

A-chord       A-chord   D-chord      D-chord

G-shape      G-shape C-shape      C-shape
DAH     -     dit   -   DAH...(hold) "scratch"
strong+down   up+soft strong+down  palm mute

My G G C C are not even close...so i wonna be sure:

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

strong down
and after i am down i am going up again softly.

than

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

first strong down and once again scratching and mute.

right?

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hantz wrote: Will wrote: Hal Ketchum is playing the same A-A-D-D progression to start out the song:

A-chord       A-chord   D-chord      D-chord

G-shape      G-shape C-shape      C-shape
DAH     -     dit   -   DAH...(hold) "scratch"
strong+down   up+soft strong+down  palm mute

My G G C C are not even close...so i wonna be sure:

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

strong down
and after i am down i am going up again softly.

than

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

first strong down and once again scratching and mute.

right?

Assuming your fingering positions are right, your chords should sound the same. To get the emphasis on each chord correct, think of the chords Hal Ketchum is playing as:

A-and-D... "scratch" (D)

A-and-D.... "scratch" (D)

The boldfaced chords are downbeats - play them with a down stroke. The "and" is a weaker A chord, which you can either upstrum or downstrum with a softer touch.

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i don't know what i'm doing wrong then...i perform those chords right and still got something close but not the same...

may be that is the movement from between the

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

and the

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

what is the right fingering for the move?

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hantz wrote: i don't know what i'm doing wrong then...i perform those chords right and still got something close but not the same...

may be that is the movement from between the

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

and the

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

what is the right fingering for the move?

Hantz:

You may be getting your chords mixed up again. The first chord is the A chord (play a G-shape with the capo on the second fret):

A chord (G-shape, capo at 2nd fret)

E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

The second chord is the D chord (C-shape, capo at 2nd fret)

E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
B||---|-x-|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
G||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
D||---|-x-|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
A||---|-x-|---|---|-@-|---|---|---|---|---|---|--
E||---|-x-|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--

There is no special fingering transition other than to change chord shapes at the right time. Remember, the first A chord is strummed harder than the second A chord, followed by a strong D chord which is held longer to let it ring. The "scratch" is played with the D chord, and the strings muted by the palm.

Let's revise the strums as follows...

Think of it as:

A        A   D          D

BOOM, chucka-BOOM... "scratch"

A        A   D          D

BOOM, chucka-BOOM... "scratch"

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