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| Is there another way for barre? | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 10:28 am |
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thanasis Approved
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Hello! I play guitar two months. I have learned some things but i can't play barre chords.Is there another way to play these chords? I usually try to play Johnny Cash songs. Thank you
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| Posted: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 03:10 pm |
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Will Approved 
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thanasis wrote: Hello! I play guitar two months. I have learned some things but i can't play barre chords.Is there another way to play these chords? I usually try to play Johnny Cash songs. A barre chord is simply playing a chord where your index finger becomes a functional capo and is moved up and down the neck while your remaining fret hand fingers are playing a simple chord shape, such as E or A. Having small hands, I have trouble playing barre chords, and I only use them to play an unusual chord, such as B major (I play an A chord, with the "barre" index finger at the 2nd fret). For Johnny Cash songs, there really isn't a need to play them with barre chords. Just learn the I, IV, V7 chords in their standard shapes well enough to smoothly transition between the chords. For songs in the key of G, you would use G, C, D7. For songs in the key of D, you would use D, G, A7. In the key of C, use C, F, G7. In the key of A, use A, D, and E7. When you're just starting out, and especially if you need to change the key to accomodate singing, learn to use a capo. If you learn to play in the keys of G and D, you can play in any key using the capo to shift the tuning higher: With a capo at the 2nd fret: -playing with the key of G chord shapes will give you chords in the key of A. -playing with the key of D chord shapes will give you chords in the key of E. Last edited on Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 04:24 am by Will ____________________ Will http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/297/ Loose Change & Friends http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/245/ http://loosechangeandfriends.com The Earth Tones http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/337/ A Bunch Of Coconuts http://abunchofcoconuts.com |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 02:10 am |
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There is one way to play bared chords. Keep trying. It takes some build up of muscle and technique, but you can do it. Johnny Cash story: I learned Luther Perkins' (his friend and guitarist) solo note for note for Fulsom Prison Blues, its in E-major. As I believe Johnny Cash (bass baritone) did it. Years of playing it this taught me how tough a song it is to sing. But (slap of far head), most of the guitar licks can be played in G-major which for me, a baritone (and not much of one) was a lot more comfortable. And the cat doesn't run out of the room anymore. Last edited on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 11:32 am by Philj200 ____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 03:38 pm |
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Will Approved
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I find it a bit amusing to be talking about guitar barre chords in the AUTOHARP part of this forum. Well... an autoharp can only be played with a chord BAR.  Last edited on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 03:39 pm by Will ____________________ Will http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/297/ Loose Change & Friends http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/245/ http://loosechangeandfriends.com The Earth Tones http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/337/ A Bunch Of Coconuts http://abunchofcoconuts.com |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 03:43 pm |
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thanasis wrote: Hello! I play guitar two months. I have learned some things but i can't play barre chords.Is there another way to play these chords? I usually try to play Johnny Cash songs. Hi I agree with Will that you don't need barre chords to play Johnny cash, but Philj200 (a gibson player?) has a point too. I think most people start off playing a few chords in their standard shape and add in barre chords later. Check this link out for chord shapes http://www.chordie.com/chords.php - the first chord is the 'standard chord' I find barre chords alot easier with my thumb pressing in the middle of the neck, rather than gripping the neck. Have fun & enjoy Roj
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| Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 05:23 pm |
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Son-of-a-gun... we are in the autoharp section. I just tagged on in the recent postings and didn't notice. But as Will demonstrated more than once, single string picking on the autoharp certainly can be done. Philj200 (a gibson player?) has a point too. --I have three Gibson instruments. Or two and a half. Two guitars and the pot from a banjo now mated with a Vega neck. I think most people start off playing a few chords in their standard shape and add in barre chords later. Check this link out for chord shapes http://www.chordie.com/chords.php - the first chord is the 'standard chord' --I'll look in a bit. I struggles with F-major as my first barre chord because I had to. And I moaned about it too. Then as I was coming to grips with it (pun not intended), someone pointed out the if I pushed the chord up two more frets I had G, two more and I'd have an A. A light bulb popped on. I doubt that Johnny Cash was deep into barre chords. Or his back-up band either. Luther Perkins may well have believed a B13 was a vitamin. I find barre chords alot easier with my thumb pressing in the middle of the neck, rather than gripping the neck. --That's the classical guitarists mantra. Perhaps our original poster on this thread should consider being mre patient with himself and investing in a good capo.
____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 11:01 am |
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thanasis Approved
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Thank you all for the advice! I want to tell you that i try very hard for the barre but not produce good sound! The first finger should press in the middle of the neck or all over?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:28 pm |
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Will Approved
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thanasis wrote: Thank you all for the advice! I want to tell you that i try very hard for the barre but not produce good sound! The index finger, used as the de facto "moveable capo", should be pressed down across all 6 strings just behind the appropriate fret, while the remaining 3 fingers of the fret hand are used to play a chord. Keep your thumb behind the guitar neck. Larger hand size, good hand strength, and playing experience (muscle memory) definitely helps for barre chording. I can't do anything about my hand size, though, so I'm at a disadvantage. Last edited on Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:29 pm by Will ____________________ Will http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/297/ Loose Change & Friends http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/245/ http://loosechangeandfriends.com The Earth Tones http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/337/ A Bunch Of Coconuts http://abunchofcoconuts.com |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 03:13 pm |
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Philj200 Approved
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Nothing will take the place of practice. Including practicing chord, barres, changes... But there are some ways of speeding the process along. Partially barred chords is one of them. In the key of C major or minor, an F major or minor can be played on the high four strings requiring just a two or three string barre. The compromise is giving up the two deepest strings and it requires more control with the right hand (assuming you play right handed) not to pick them. In the key of F, assuming you are not playing E with a capo, the B-flat chord can also be played on just the four high strings, with the same right hand caveat. Will's point about hand size is a factor. So is muscle memory. You're probably too young for another problem that some of us face: arthrites. There are chord shapes and occassionally barred-chords that my hands simply rebel against. One of the ways to make sure you don't have to face this far down the road is to invest in making your hands as strong and dextrous as possible now. Even if working at it gets tedious.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 6th, 2007 04:08 pm |
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Roj Approved
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quote I find barre chords alot easier with my thumb pressing in the middle of the neck, rather than gripping the neck. --That's the classical guitarists mantra. ?? It's a point at which your grip when making a barre chord is strong and it brings your hand more parallel to the fret board so your fingers can reach those difficult positions. Roj
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| Posted: Thu Jun 7th, 2007 02:32 pm |
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viking Approved 
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Hi All The ability to play a good bar chord will eventually be second nature with that favorite trick of all good guitarists, namely PRACTICE. But in the meantime heres a few tips and cheats 1) Bar with the 1st finger and support the bar with the index finger in order to apply more pressure to the strings. This may only leave 2 fingers for making the chord but it will give you a good bar to start from 2)Play small bars across the first 3 or 4 strings and then wrap your thumb over the top of the neck to play the bass note ( I cant do this but a lot of electric guitar players use this technique including Eric Clapton on occasion) 3) Thumb in the middle of the neck will definetly give you a better grip for barring 4) Practice barring with a capo on the neck. This will lower the action of the guitar and make the exercise easier. 5) Practice with the guitar detuned a full tone. This will reduce tension in the strings and make barring easier 6) Use lighter strings they make barring easier 7) Check your action, especially at the nut 8,9&10 Practice practice practice Hear you soon MARK
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