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| Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 09:12 pm |
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krhoda Approved
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Dear erhu enthusiasts, I unexpectedly received a used erhu as a gift. It has no qianjin. From photos I've seen it looks possible to fashion one from twine. Can you advise me, please? Thanks so very much!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 10:20 pm |
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davidmdahl Approved
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Check the qianjing video at: http://www.eason.com.sg/resources/resources.jsp Another resource: http://erhulink.blogspot.com/2008/01/qian-jin.html There are other forum entries and websites on the qianjin that you can find via google.com. Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 04:06 am |
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krhoda Approved
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Thanks so very much!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 04:36 am |
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Den Approved 
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Sung Wah also has an excellant youtube video on how to tie the qianjin and that is very helpfull. Den
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| Posted: Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 02:18 pm |
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krhoda Approved
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Thank you, Den!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 03:25 pm |
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Den Approved
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oops, sorry David, I didnt see your video link til now. Den
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 11:07 pm |
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Selrahc Approved 
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Hey, I've been trying to find a topic about where to tie the qianjing. I thought that I'd just ask it here. How far from the base of the erhu should I start tying the qianjing? I'll be using the 5-6-5 method that I learned from Eason. I should be getting some new string from Eason soon, so I need to know the best place to tie it, because I think that it's too high right now. Thanks in advance! --Selrahc
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 11:11 pm |
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Den Approved
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mine are a measured 16 inches from the bridge to the qianjin happens to be 14 inches from the top of the resonator box. den
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21st, 2009 11:45 pm |
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davidmdahl Approved
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Selrahc wrote: Hey, I've been trying to find a topic about where to tie the qianjing. I thought that I'd just ask it here. How far from the base of the erhu should I start tying the qianjing? I'll be using the 5-6-5 method that I learned from Eason. I should be getting some new string from Eason soon, so I need to know the best place to tie it, because I think that it's too high right now. Thanks in advance! Where to tie the qianjin is up to preference. If tied too low (toward the bridge), the spaces between the higher notes will be very small. If tied too high (toward the pegs), the spaces between the lower notes may be an uncomfortable stretch. Some erhu masters, like Xu Ke, tie their qianjin about as close to the pegs as it will go. This has a good effect on the tone, and makes playing the higher notes close to the bridge easier. For a beginner with average or short fingers, it is probably better to find a qianjin location where the notes in first and second position are comfortable, so good technique can be developed. Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 01:34 am |
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Selrahc Approved
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Many thanks guys! My problem has been the lower notes being too stretched apart, so I find it easier to play in fifth position whenever possible. I'm used to the shorter neck of the violin. Thanks again! --Selrahc
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 02:18 am |
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Den Approved
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so, davidmdahl, how does yours relate to a physical measurement at the moment? is it about 16 inches to the bridge as mine are? Den
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 02:20 am |
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davidmdahl Approved
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It can be a challenge to find an erhu where the higher positions sound good. First or second position can be managable on an entry-level erhu, but it takes a pretty good instrument for the higher positions to come out well. If you can make fifth position sound good, that is an excellent erhu! Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 03:16 am |
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davidmdahl Approved
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My qianjin is at 15". Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 03:23 am |
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Den Approved
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Ah, , that might answer my next question as to about how much would it be moved to make a subtle or large change in playing. mine doesnt seem to want to move so I am content to let it have its way. Den
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 01:02 pm |
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Selrahc Approved
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No, it doesn't sound that good. LOL! It sounds rather airy. I just find it much easier to play it in a higher position, because the half steps are closer and the whole steps aren't as far apart. One day, though, I will have a really good erhu where I can play the higher positions and it sounds good. I want it to be sandalwood. It's pretty. Anyway, enough about my future wishes. Time to get back to reality where most of my time is spent reading textbooks. Thanks again guys for all the advice! --Selrahc
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 02:34 am |
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Clyde Approved 
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In trying to figure the right position for your Qain Jing cord it may vary for most musicians, everyone has their own comfort zone so to speak and many of you are not far off in the distance between the bridge and the Qain Jing cord somewhat like a Violin in size from 1/4 to 4/4. Some like to stretch for each note so it is a matter of how long your fingers are and while we are on stretching for notes one does not purchase an Erhu unless it can reach three full positions clearly. Now some may sound great and clear at two but the third is waste land and some are not even clear toned at all these are really starter grade Erhu's not even student grade and make excellent wall peices. Some may tend to have clear sound however the tone is to strong on the third position. I recently worked on one that has a most unusual tone on the third and every Erhu is different especially that high up there I did find this instrument very pleasing at it's third. It's like everyone I have tried is different in one way or another this one was extremely easy to blend in tone. As you move up the scale on an Erhu the tone changes in sound and value so it becomes the art in blending that makes the difference to a musician some easy some a large effort this is what makes us musicians we form into an instrument not the other way around, I always look at an instrument as a challenge for me. God Bless
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 05:49 pm |
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hehe Approved
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The distance between the qain jing and the bridge really depends on your palm and finger size. Most adults should not have it shorter than 38cm. The longer the distance the better because the lowest positions can be played better. Most erhu and strings from China are designed with 40cm in mind.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 08:04 pm |
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davidmdahl Approved
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hehe wrote: The distance between the qain jing and the bridge really depends on your palm and finger size. Most adults should not have it shorter than 38cm. The longer the distance the better because the lowest positions can be played better. Most erhu and strings from China are designed with 40cm in mind. I know what you mean, but this could be confusing to some readers. The low positions, such as first and second position are at the peg end of the strings, and the high positions are at the bridge end. This sounds funny because the positions are counted from the peg end. A qianjin tied as close to the pegs as manageable will make the distances between the notes at the higher positions (played close to the bridge/resonator) easier for adult-sized fingers. In my experience, the tone quality is improved as well. Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 05:33 am |
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huqiner Approved
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I've been using 400mm (15 3/4 inches) for some time now, but have move to 410mm on one of my erhus. On this particular erhu there was one note; G on the A string (1 with dot above in key of G), that didn't sound good, like as if the string didn't vibrate properly or ring clearly. So I tried a slightly longer qianjin to bridge length of 410mm (a bit over 16 inches) and it seems to improved the bad note. I now have to stretch my fingers a tiny bit more but as I wasn't at my maximum stretch before, it's not a problem with the longer length. I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, I had the same problem with a yehu (coconut fiddle), with a note in the same finger position but different pitch. But as it's a smaller instrument than the erhu, I moved it down to 380mm and it also has improved. I might try a longer length though because it's a lower pitch instrument, on the basis that lower pitch instruments generally seem to be larger than higher pitch instruments. IMHO the point about the high position notes (high as in high pitched not high off the ground!) being cramped with a low qianjin is not all that important when deciding the qianjin placement. The notes are close enough so that you can't play semitones with two separate fingers anyway, you have to shift with the same finger. As a comparison, violins have a much shorter nut to bridge length. Moving the qianjin a little bit is not gong to change this, unless you move it right to the top, but then it seems to me this has been done to facilitate the playing of violin pieces on the erhu. Most professional players that I have seen do not have the qianjin at the highest maximum possible position. edited for spelling Last edited on Thu Mar 26th, 2009 05:44 am by huqiner |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 06:07 pm |
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Clyde Approved
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Keep in mind guys that not only the distance between the Qain Jing cord and the bridge has to do with note clarity, If your having a problem with this then the height of your Qain Jing Cord may be a factor as well. This distance between the strings and neck as well as the thickness of the Cord itself can contribute to clarity as well. All in all you should be stretching for your notes but not uncomfortably. Everyone should practice stretching your finger movements you will be surprised at what you can achieve with a little practice. I had a question on double cords, sometimes it is necessary for musicians that us wide distance between playing areas to contain the ringing of the strings and cut down on the texture, so some musicians find this helpful to add another Qain Jing cord above between the first peg and the Qain Jing Cord. God Bless
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