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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 02:52 pm |
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prongsong Approved
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Keep Up The Good Work Last edited on Sun Nov 25th, 2007 08:22 pm by prongsong |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 03:36 pm |
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Richard Hefner Administrator 
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Hi Terry, I think it sounds like a great idea and most artists would be happy to be a part of it. So there is no misunderstanding it might be best if you would send a quick message to each artist who you want to include and explain the benefits such as the links will be going directly to them for any sales. It would be easy for you to do a standard message in Notepad or something and just use that to send out so it wouldn't be a lot of extra work for you. I like it though, and I'd be happy to use any of my MP3s if you'd like to, and I think a lot of others will feel the same way. 
____________________ Richard Hefner MP3 Page: http://www.ezfolk.com/audio/richardhefner Running Blog: http://old-runner.com |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 06:34 pm |
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prongsong Approved
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Hello Richard, Thanks for the positive responce. Last edited on Sun Nov 25th, 2007 08:22 pm by prongsong |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 06:44 pm |
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banjo brad Super Moderator 
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Terry- My question would be this: I am not now selling any of my music. It is available for download for free from ezFolk, but not for purchase. Also, all of my work is produced under the Creative Commons license scheme. If you were to play something of mine, what happens when somebody clicks on the "buy now" link? Technically, that link should not appear for anything of mine, as it is not for sale, anywhere. Just asking, because I doubt that my music is of much interest to the indie crowd. Brad Last edited on Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 06:45 pm by banjo brad ____________________ ezFolk Help Brad Prickly Pear Music Banjo Brad's ezFolk page TOTMC |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 07:09 pm |
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prongsong Approved
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Hello Brad, If you don't have any music listed on the web for sale then the link would take you to any artist that has a name like yours that is offering their music for sale. Just as when you do a Google search for say Tom Brown and only Tom Black's name is listed you would be directed to that link to that page. So if you don't have any music listed for sale say like at CD baby then the search would turn up nothing. It is not a perfect setup but it does try to lead people to a place where they might purchase the artists works. This buy link is also an embeded feature of the Sam broadcaster that is used by many broadcasters. Much like I tunes and now Winamp it searches for information on the web that the artist has made available. I have suspended that certain page on my web site untill I can feel comfortable that it will not confuse anyone else. No matter what kind of music you play my saying is " For every song there are listeners" My area of East Tennesee is a hot spot for your type of music. One of the most popular duos here is called Boogertown Gap They get good responce when I play them on my shows. Having ones music for sale may seem like a good idea but in my experiance in the Indie Music world no one is making a living selling tunes. However we are kicking the butt of all the major record lables just because we have created our own market that doesn't include their greedy little mits. Keep on picking my friend, Terry Prong
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 09:31 pm |
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ThirdRatePoet Approved 
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Hi there As Richard so rightly says, this seems an excellent idea. I've never had a problem with my songs being broadcast (in fact I welcome it!) - so long as the rights of the artist are respected, I imagine most folks would feel the same. Dan 
____________________ ezFolk My Website CDBaby |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 09:42 pm |
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AmyDK Approved
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I agree as well, but I guess I like to know where my music is being played. Helps me keep track of it . But as I have no songs for sale as yet, it's great just to get stuff out there. Peace - Amy
____________________ Amy's ezFolk page Amy on MySpace My Website |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 01:16 pm |
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Ed Saultz Approved 
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Tony, I just think it a general courtesy to ask the creator of the music you are airing if they have any objections to your using their material prior to its airing. In my mind it really has nothing to do with whether you're making money or not, although it seems that is the only deciding factor in today's world. I realize you see this as a daunting task, I see it as simply being courteous and necessary, regardless of the inconvenience. All the best! Peace, Ed
____________________ Peace, a brilliant aspiration!!! I know, let's try that live and let live philosophy again! I'm just sayin'. Traditional and Contemporary Irish Music http://www.EdSaultz.com http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/3205/ |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 02:19 pm |
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prongsong Approved
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Here is some food for thought, When you play music that is written by another artists as in most public domain folk songs or traditional music. Do you make an attempt to locate that artist that wrote that tune and ask permission to play it at your club? Music is a means of communication; sharing and using are two different terms. If you allow free downloads of a song you are in a sense saying "Share my music with others" Does this mean that every listener has to contact the artist who is playing a song they didn't write to inform them that they will be playing it to a group of friends coming over to their house this evening? Then lets say I play it really loud and the whole neighborhood can hear it. Does the artists have to be notified as a matter of courtesy that the neighborhood is going to be listening to their music (that they didn't write)? I believe there needs to be an adjustment in attitude when it comes to this issue. The very fact that a station finds someone’s music good enough to share over the air should be taken as a compliment not as an insult. It is not a perfect world as some would like and we are not perfect people as some would also like to believe. We do what we do and pray that others will benefit by it. This is the first music site I have had any negative response to getting air play for free downloads. I am on many sites and deal with hundreds of artists but there will always be a few who will say "Hey, why wasn't I notified?" I will continue to use free downloads for my shows as showcases to Independent Artists. I will however keep in mind that if at all possible I will contact those artists and inform them that their music is being aired. Heck, I might even gain some listeners.  May Peace be with you all. Terry Prong Last edited on Sat Nov 24th, 2007 02:25 pm by prongsong |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 02:43 pm |
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mikelewis Approved 
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I'm having a hard time trying to figure out who the artists are on your site - is there a quick and dirty artist/song list on the site? The link I clicked in post #1 went to a page that said "Sorry I can't seem to find the page your looking for. Why not try purchasing one of these tracks and I might be able to see clearer." and had a direct link to Terry's music for sale. Regarding the issue at hand, I have no problem with featuring my music on your site if you choose to showcase, that's why I'm here, to be heard! And while I understand that you cannot notify all artists, I'd like to be able to look it up on my own, so if you could help this computer-challenged person to peruse your list that would be greatly appreciated! Mike
____________________ Michael David Lewis - ezFolk.com site Michael David Lewis - Official Website Michael David Lewis on MySpace |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 03:56 pm |
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prongsong Approved
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Sorry about that, I had to remove that artists list page untill I can post an explanation on how it is used and try to get some direct links to the artists going. Thanks for your input on all this. I enjoy listening to others comments as I believe it will help me create a better broadcast service for musicians. Try the Featured Artists Link in the On Demand Box. You have to have broadband or cable to stream this link. Winamp will post what artist is playing. I am regrouping and planning a live broacast of nothing but EZ Folk artists. Yes, I will be contacting everyone involved in the broadcast Thanks again for your interest, Terry Prong Also all my shows ave been podcasted and can be located from Bluegrass Heaven or Blue Monday Last edited on Sat Nov 24th, 2007 03:59 pm by prongsong |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 04:17 pm |
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Ed Saultz Approved
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You've written: "When you play music that is written by another artists as in most public domain folk songs or traditional music. Do you make an attempt to locate that artist that wrote that tune and ask permission to play it at your club?" To which I reply: It's not permission that's the issue as far as I am concerned, it's the courtesy of notification. As far as I am concered I have implied such permission simply by making the track available for free download. You've written: "I believe there needs to be an adjustment in attitude when it comes to this issue. The very fact that a station finds someone’s music good enough to share over the air should be taken as a compliment not as an insult." To which I reply: Tony I do see your playing the music of another as a compliment and I do not, and would not, see it as an insult. That really isn't the issue of which I wrote. What I wrote of, and most importantly in my opinion, is the fact that this compliment does not avail to one the opportunity or justification to be discourteous. As to whether or not an attitude needs adjusting I can only state that I do not possess sufficient wisdom to know which attitude needs adjustment, if indeed any does. Peace, Ed
____________________ Peace, a brilliant aspiration!!! I know, let's try that live and let live philosophy again! I'm just sayin'. Traditional and Contemporary Irish Music http://www.EdSaultz.com http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/3205/ |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 08:37 pm |
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prongsong Approved
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Dear Ed, Point taken and understood. P.S. my name is Terry not Tony So much for being accurate on things. More Peace and Understanding 
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2007 09:15 pm |
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Michael Fox Approved
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Hello Terry I am the (not being named) ezfolk artist who questioned your site that appeared to be selling my song that I had posted on ezfolk for free listening. When I went to your site that appeared when I did a goggle search for dulcijo, it was disturbing seeing a "buy" tab beside one of my songs that I did not have for sale anywhere on the web. http://indierockcafe.net/Sam2/samHTMweb/playlistM.html I had no problem with you playing my music on your radio show. I didn't even know about it until you told me. I appreciate you listening to my music and I understand there is probably no rule for unsolicited air play of a freely displayed traditional song, but your site, to me, was confusing. When I clicked on the "buy" tab I was taken to a page of advertisements, none of which was for me, my website, or ezfolk. I don't really see how that helps me much as an artist. I freely offer some of my music for folks to listen to. I appreciate folks listening to my tunes, linking to my site, and requesting my music. Thanks Michael Fox
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2007 10:55 pm |
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prongsong Approved
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Not a problem both the page and your music have been removed from my site. I will not be posting anymore to this site as it seems to only cause conflict. May you find peace and success in everything you do. Terry Prong
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 02:32 am |
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mikelewis Approved
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OK, now I see, the "Buy" icon simply takes you to Amazon.com's website just as Terry says. I see Michael's point, seems to me the "Buy" button should be removed altogether or modified to actually sell the artist's material - similar to how ezFolk does it - of course that would take effort to collaborate with the artist in order for that to work. Last edited on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 05:52 am by mikelewis ____________________ Michael David Lewis - ezFolk.com site Michael David Lewis - Official Website Michael David Lewis on MySpace |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 09:36 am |
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Ed Saultz Approved
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Greetings Terry, Please accept my apology for addressing you as Tony and thank you for identifying to me my error. My actions have been as discourteous as I have suggested yours were. Why have you edited out all the text explaining your original position in your original posts? Peace, Ed
____________________ Peace, a brilliant aspiration!!! I know, let's try that live and let live philosophy again! I'm just sayin'. Traditional and Contemporary Irish Music http://www.EdSaultz.com http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/3205/ |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 10:11 pm |
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HowlinHobbit Approved 
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mikelewis wrote: OK, now I see, the "Buy" icon simply takes you to Amazon.com's website just as Terry says. I see Michael's point, seems to me the "Buy" button should be removed altogether or modified to actually sell the artist's material - similar to how ezFolk does it - of course that would take effort to collaborate with the artist in order for that to work. Definitely! Anyone is free to link to any of my tunes I put up online, or download them if I've made them available like that. Give 'em to friends, make 'em available for download straight from your site, whatever... but link to me, not the Amazon Associates program! (Or anything else of that nature.) And tell me about it. Who knows, I might even link back to you as a thank you! That's kind of how these here intarnet things work, y'know?
____________________ Howlin' Hobbit Got Uke? MySpace ezFolk UkeLand |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 01:14 am |
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Ed & HH - I think we upset him by not being totally in favor of his not linking to ezFolk or our sites. We didn't agree that he was doing the best thing for us, and removed his posts and went home in a huff.
____________________ ezFolk Help Brad Prickly Pear Music Banjo Brad's ezFolk page TOTMC |
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